But some people are waking up and they want to escape. But how can you escape out of the system? They seek whether they are able to escape through technology, it's offering gates.

That's what it is. It's a bit weird, a bit light-hearted.

It feels like, I don't know, it's not like a story. It's more about the unconscious. Maybe you want to escape the order?

Yeah, maybe! But the idea was I consciously thought of it when I was over there putting the characters together, and these big characters are running away.

Yeah. I feel like when people are expressing they are some kinds of people, they are like: “I like this, I like that.” But when they present it together, it becomes stories.

That's right. So it's good, it's a good process actually. It makes you think. And also I'm thinking a lot about technology. We hear about the 4th Industrial Revolution where they say technology and humans combined, that's what people are talking about. And then Elon Musk is talking about the Neuralink. It's a lot of advanced technology, new openings for humans and tech combining, that's what they say. For me, as I see technology continually overtaking things, I want to go the other way. I want to go back into analogue making and using my hands.

Yeah, it's way too fast.

I'm really into sites a lot, and I always see there's two classes. As those who are in the new technology and establish world order, and as those who reject it and live outside of that. And I think that's what is going to happen.

This is like I belong here, so I'm staying. And if you're not, you would have to live outside. They're trying to push you out.

Yeah, so you should choose which way you want it. This technology after a while is going to control. They say they won't control you, but it does control our behaviour, even the phones that we have.

I think yeah, it's something you cannot escape, you know.

No. Unless you go back to our societies that live outside, outside of technology. They live as old people.